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Who Should Represent USA Basketball: All-Stars Or NBA Team Like Detroit Pistons?

Aug 16th, 2007
Send the Detroit Pistons to the 2007 Olympic qualifier in Las Vegas. That's right, the Dream Teams are finished and over; in its place the Detroit Pistons, who will represent USA Basketball at international competitions.It makes perfect sense-counter the chemistry and skill of global basketball with the chemistry and skill of an NBA team like Detroit ... Readers: Below is a feature I wrote after the Americans lost to Greece in last year's FIBA World Championships. I made the argument that USA Basketball should consider replacing the Dream Team concept with an NBA team.

Fan reaction was mixed. It's a different idea; one that takes a minute to wrap your head around. With the Olympic qualifier coming up I thought it was worth re-examining. I made some  updates to the piece.

Give me your thoughts in the comment box below on the pros and cons of USA Basketball sending an NBA team to international competitions. As always, it never matters if you agree or disagree with the post. Just have fun making your point!

Thanks for reading.

Oly.

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 September 08, 2006

Chemistry is the difference between winning and losing in team sports-or for USA Basketball, the difference between a gold and bronze medal at the 2006 FIBA World Championship.

Other teams had chemistry, the Americans did not.

Exhibit A: the Greeks showed incredible chemistry, executing a perfect pick-and-roll offense in their semi-final win over the Americans.

Exhibit B: the Spaniards displayed even greater chemistry, overcoming the loss of injured-superstar Pau Gasol to win the World Championship.

The Greeks and Spaniards did not develop their chemistry by having players participate in six week tryouts or commit to summertime training sessions like USA Basketball.

They did it by having their best players train together for years-sometimes decades.

And now USA Basketball has a problem. On the one hand, to field a winning team, American-NBA stars would have to make a real, long-term commitment to the national program. On the other hand, few American-NBA stars will actually make this kind of multi-year commitment.

But another option exists-one that will shock the NBA ‘playa’ world of Cadillac Escalades and thirty inch spinners.

Send the Detroit Pistons to the 2007 Olympic qualifier in Las Vegas. That’s right, the Dream Teams are finished and over; in its place the Detroit Pistons, who will represent USA Basketball at international competitions.

It makes perfect sense-counter the chemistry and skill of global basketball with the chemistry and skill of an NBA team like Detroit.

Picture this, first half of the World Championship semi-final. Greece scores a basket on a simple pick-and-roll play. The Pistons, yes, the Pistons call a timeout and adjust.

And that’s it. Game over.

Greece tries to run the same pick-and-roll play, but has little success. Chauncey Billups and Richard Hamilton get over the hi-screen, while Tayshaun Prince, Jason Maxiell, and Nazr Mohammed disrupt passing lanes with their length. And Rasheed Wallace-he’s everywhere.

Perhaps, that’s too simple. After all, Detroit has stumbled in the playoffs and Greece could make adjustments on offense. 

But the basketball world thinks it’s worth considering. Randy Nohr, an assistant coach with the University of British Columbia Thunderbirds and a former player with Canada's national team, thinks it’s an interesting idea.

“They might do better. I’m not one hundred percent sure,” Nohr said. “But they probably would do better just because they (Detroit) already have all their plays. They know how to play with each other. But it’s hard to say”

What isn’t hard to say-Detroit’s current squad could defend any European national team.

There’s another point worth considering. USA Basketball spends tournaments figuring out player roles. For example, nobody thought LeBron James should start at the 1-spot until the bronze medal game against Argentina .

After shifting positions, James had his best game of the World Championship -filling the box-sheet with 22 points, 9 rebounds, and 7 assists-and getting extended minutes next to Carmelo Anthony and Dwyane Wade.

James, at lead-guard for the entire tournament, changes the World Championship. The Americans probably defeat Greece and hold their own against Spain in the final.

Not to worry. Detroit’s coaching staff won’t waste an entire tournament figuring out how the parts fit. They know Billups gets the rock late in games; Hamilton and Wallace spread the defense with their outside stroke. And Antonio McDyess provides scoring off the bench.

There are legitimate concerns with sending an NBA team. Reggie Theus, a former NBA star and and now the coach of the Sacramento Kings, pointed out the biggest problem.

“I think that it would hurt them (Detroit) in the overall scheme of things for the season,” Theus said. “Because you have the chemistry of a team that plays year round-that would be better for in that sense. But I think it would hurt them (Detroit) in the other picture-their everyday (NBA) jobs.”

Fair enough. Right now, NBA players and franchises are not obligated to participate in international competitions. The feeling is an NBA team, like Detroit, would get tired playing in the Olympics or World Championship. Fatigue hurts their chances of celebrating an NBA Title in June.

Well, too bad. The world’s best soccer teams pull double-duty, playing in their own domestic league and taking part in international club tournaments. Most players on these teams represent their country at the World Cup and European Championship.

One NBA team can’t do the same?

Commissioner David Stern could compensate the Piston players and organization for representing USA Basketball. How would Detroit’s veteran players feel about ten extra home games during the regular season? How about an extra first round draft pick or additional money to spend on free agents?

Of course, the stakeholders, American-NBA players, NBA owners, and USA Basketball, would have to iron out the details of compensation.

There’s also concern about player injuries. Piston players are at risk taking part in summertime tournaments. Again, this hinders Detroit’s chance at a June playoff run.

Again, too bad. Injuries can happen anywhere. Players get hurt running off-season pick-up games and balling during NBA sanctioned summer leagues in Vegas, Orlando, and Denver.

Why are the Olympics and World Championship a greater risk than NBA summer leagues?

The main point is that USA Basketball has to think outside the box. The Detroit Pistons should be considered for the 2007 qualifying tournament and the Beijing Olympics because an all star team might not attain the desired results.

What do you think of last year's feature? Should USA Basketball send an NBA team instead of  All-Stars? Get at us in the comment box below with your thoughts.

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a guest August 16, 2007
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Send an NBA team. In with the new and out with the old!
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The Count August 16, 2007
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no way, all star team is the way to go... but a better selected one!! you don't necessarily need all the best players in nba... you need a mix of all stars and role players. too many all stars means not enough shots to go around. the top players usually have the abilitity to take over a game... but if there are too many of them then none can get into that groove.
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Octane August 16, 2007
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DETROIT. No how about the Spurs, ohh yeah make sence they have like 4 international players. Never mind. Its all about commitment stick with the players chosen for 3 years. Its not like the americans lost by 20 points, They will step up in Olympics the coming years, And the whole world will know why the NBA is the NBA.
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a guest August 16, 2007
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naw that would nt work and besides there vaction time would be cut and that aint right plain and simple GET SOME NEW TALENT
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Thunderthumbs August 17, 2007
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Graet idea! Fight fire with fire. A team like Detroit that plays unselfish, or San Antonio, with great balance would be perfect.
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a guest August 17, 2007
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I don't know about an NBA Team, however, the author is right in the sense that USA needs chemistry.
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a guest August 17, 2007
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The problem with this idea is not all players would be from the usa. I think its a good idea in theory but not entirely achievable. I think instead of tryouts team usa should hold more of the red vs blue games they've been playing in las vegas or perhaps host a few exhibition games to iron out the kinks in the system.Do a few quick tryouts then put the players in 2 smaller squads of perhaps 8 and 7 players each and match them against each other in games, and tell them to try and achieve certain objectives in their style of play such as using primarily jump shots, run a pick and roll offense, play a zone defense. Then alternate and mix around the teams for a few more of these games then host 3 or 4 exhibition games, where players can gel and coaches can see who works well with who, who plays well in what position given the international style. Chemistry could be built easily but usa basketball just isn't committed enough to it.Oh and make the players attend a referees course for the international rules so they don't get confused
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a guest August 17, 2007
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I think going back to sending college players to international competition would bring greater success, college style is more like the international style more fast breaking and jump shooting. Plus these kids are young full of energy and will play just to play and wouldn't be restricted by contracts and pay terms.
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wal August 17, 2007
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DETROIT BASKETBALL baby all the way good comparison is all i gootta say bout that and besides with kb24 on ur team i dont think hell let em lose thats the next nj minus 3 rings lol
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TJ August 17, 2007
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Pistons shuldnt play but the best tem that had the best record for the whole year like dallas had this year should represent and all the other countrys player could be subed by an allstar like dirk could of been subed by Kg or amare (another PF) and Diop could be tooken out for a center liek brad miller idk but kobe can take evrybody by himself with lebron and melo with amare and dwight down low
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a guest August 17, 2007
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good article !
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Jacob from Australia August 17, 2007
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yer it sounds good but even the pistons dont have a full american team... good theory and they do need sum chemistry, maybe fill the team with more college playas coz they want to show the world wat they can do. NBA playas have already accomplished that and dont seem to put in the full effort. college playas have always worked together betta than the NBA with their individual stars...
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DETROIT BASKETBALL! August 17, 2007
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I've been saying that since 2004, that the pistons are the team to send to play in the international games. We would dominate them cats!
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The TRUE wal August 17, 2007
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The problem with this proposal is that some teams best players are from another country and may not want to represent the U.S. regardless if there NBA team could play in it. If all the players would quit being babies and and actually was committed like the 1992 team where are all the best said lets go get the gold and bring it home quickly, than we'd still be dominating. The times have changed, players get all this money and become spoiled. Money is the root of all evil.
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GreekBasket August 17, 2007
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I think some of you Americans just can't get over the fact that days of US basketball dominating the Europeans are over. In the early 90s you had probably the greatest talent of players (Jordan, Magic, Bird, Pippen) you will ever have. It's been over 20 years since then though and the European players, many of whom play in the NBA, aren't intimidated by US players anymore. In Europe Basketball is considered a sport and is treated as such. In the USA, the NBA is a business. Individual play is praised more so than team play. The reason you lost to Greece (2005 European Champion) is because your players were more interested in making the 9pm news highlights with that nice slam dunk rather than PLAYING AS A TEAM. The fact than a nation of 11 million people (Greece) with less population than some US cities (NY, Chicago, LA) can manage to beat the USA with a population of 300 million at its "own game" is simply an amazing feat in itself.
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a guest August 17, 2007
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I've been thinking the same thing for a long time. Maybe we send the loser of the last NBA finals. The solution to the problem of having players from other countries is not that hard: that team simply gets to replace them by cherry-picking from the rest of the league -- decided by the coaches and players from that team.
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dj August 17, 2007
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an all star team if i remember correctly in the 2006 allstar game 4 piston players locked down the west allstar team and got the east back into the game by themselves by playing defense and unselfish bball so its not too crazy to think that an Nba TEAM instead of a collection of players wouldnt do better in the world championships
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KD August 17, 2007
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I think that the rest of the world may have surpassed the USA at playing there own version of basketball. If the world championships and Olympics were played with NBA rules and NBA refs, I think that sending NBA stars would be the correct thing to do. As long as International ball is the watered down, team play version of basketball that minimizes advantages of athleticism, we'd be better off sending a college team, or a semi-pro team that practiced and played the international rules year round.
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Mike August 17, 2007
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The major problem with the past few teams has been knowing how to play as a team even when each individual can carry their own team (in the nba). Most players learn how to do this in college. All the debate about chemistry and playing as a team ends this year now that the team has Kidd and Billups, both of which can control the way that their team is playing. You want chemistry? Now we got Linus Pauling and Wilhelm Ostwald running the show.
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jakenyr August 17, 2007
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I'm a piston fan, I came up with this idea 2 years ago... Put the egos away and let's win some gold again! Great idea, but probably not going to happen.
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BallerShotCaller August 17, 2007
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How about a mix of NBA stars and their teammates. Rip & Billups, Melo & Camby, Kobe &, oh wait a sec...
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Peter Wolf August 17, 2007
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How about instead of sending the Piston, which is a good idea in itself. How about we just send whoever is the current NBA Champs are. If they don't want to go take the team they defeat in the finals. And we do that each summer when international competition comes up.
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a guest August 17, 2007
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Great idea, HUGE Pistons fan here and i think they can take the world. I also think the Spurs would be a good idea. Noone on the Pistons roster with great significance is from another country. Many other teams have international players. Try it and see what happens. Its not like we can do any worse.
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B_O23 August 17, 2007
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I like the idea of sending a team, but to designate 1 team would be a disaster, you could not tax a team like that, and if you tried to compensate them for it as the article suggested, every other team would cry unfair treatment. It's simple, the current NBA champions should represent the US in international play. If they have players that play for other countries, then they can replace those players with players from other teams, but that's it.
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Jafic August 18, 2007
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I can see where this would work. The pro: you would have a group of guys who already play well together. Knowing each other's tendencies and such. Con: Very taxing on the teams health and the fact that so many teams have tons of international players. Also, would it not effect the way a GM puts together his team? Now he would have to build a team that would fit the NBA schedule, as well as, play FIBA style basketball. Let's have a real try out period. Players are chosen by ability first. One of the great things about the Dream Team, it consisted of star role players and superstars. All who paid their dues in the NBA. Secondly on availability. Instead of picking superstars to sell merchandise. If a player has to try out, maybe we can boost the pride of playing for team USA. Earn a spot, just like one would on a NBA team or a college team. Thanks Oly!
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beef August 18, 2007
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As a Detroit fan, I agree that sending the Pistons will benefit team USA, and the outcome would definately bring the BLING back to where it belongs, HERE. However, as a Detroit fan, I say hell no! I would not want to jeapardize our chances of an NBA title over a gold medal, sorry, I don't care. My solution to this double-edged problem/proposal would be to send ONLY send the "core" of a championship caliber team (like Detroit) with its coach and staff, then replace the bench and other missing spots with all-stars. This will make a big difference because the roll of each player would be pre-defined by his position (on the "team") and the coach (for example Flip). The coach and staff would then run try-outs, practices, and make the necessary cuts as it suits the "team". The key here is to keep the same "team" mentality intact, and upgrade the players in each position including the bench. Keep in mind though, the team making this sacrifice would need to be rewarded, seeing as they are risking so much for the benefit of team USA. The NBA/Stern/Players association would have to put their heads together to come up with a reasonable incentive.
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a guest August 18, 2007
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Send the Pistons? I'd rather that the team representing my country not be one that loses to mediocre talent like the Cavs. Detroit basketball is on the downswing. Accept it. Enjoy it. I know I will.
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Mike August 18, 2007
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This will never work. There are too many international players in the NBA. Think about it: San Antonio won... oops, can't use Parker or Manu. Dallas wins... oops, there goes Dirk. Phoenix wins... oops, no Nash. What are those teams without those guys? Not good enough to win the gold. Oh, and if a team in the east wins... oops, maybe the next Olympics!
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Mike August 18, 2007
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Hold that thought... now we can send the Celtics! I think I just threw up in my mouth!
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jayhawk August 18, 2007
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That is the way to go! Chemistry is what is missing as well as a sense of toughness and defense. Offense sells tickets - defense wins games. Look at the dominant San Antonio Spurs - tough d, excellent in transition, but very ethnic - can't send them! The Pistons are the answer to the USA basketball questions!
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Bajan Baller August 18, 2007
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The USA shoud send the NBA champions or the runners up to international tournaments. Every year some US city team hoists a big glorious trophy over their heads while David Stern proclaims them the WORLD CHAMPIONS OF BASKETBALL. It was an insult to me at first to know that my little club team in Barbados didn't compete or have the chance to be WORLD CHAMPIONS in the USA. I looked past it though cause reality was that the League had the best players eva and MJ, Scottie and the rest of the orig dreamteammers prove their worth (or excellence rather). But now its a bit shameful. The US are no longer the powerhouses of B'ball they once were and the Spurs are the WORLD CHAMPIONS OF Basketball? It makes little sense. The NBA and the USA should derfend that proclamation by sending that acclaimed WORLD CHAMPIONS team to international competitions. As for the chemistry point... its a damned good point... i figure any team from the conference semifinals could win international tourneys well except the CAVS... you know whats really ironic ... how would the current World Champs of basketball compete without Parker, Manu and Umberto...
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piston_love August 18, 2007
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I've been saying this since the Pistons crushed the Lakers in '04 and won the 'ship. The Pistons chemistry is unbelievably valueable esp. in late-game situations when the game is on the line. Ex. when you watch the Pistons it's all about communication on the floor and knowing where your teammates are going to be even before they are there. That's what makes the Pistons team so solid and fluid. That being said, the Pistons don't have any important foreign players that they'd be w/o during international events. Send the 'Stons and let 'em bring back a Gold
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crabmasterv August 18, 2007
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No, sending the entire Pistons team might be a bit much. But sending Chauncy, Rip, Tayshaun, And those wild wallace boys in as your primary bench team would be huge. Rasheed would and should be devastating on the international level, he'd bring the in your face toughness the team needs. Ben, well he just has to be there to, those five guys were the best starting five to play the game (in my opinion)
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a guest August 18, 2007
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send the pistons but put kobe, lebron, amare, and a few others on the bench.. that way if the pistons are having trouble.. you could just put a couple allstars in there to help them out.. otherwise keep the pistons out there.. bring ben wallace with them.. so that they can be the old great pistons.. it would work..you just need a couple of unselfish players on the bench who are willing to play this kind of supportive role
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a guest August 18, 2007
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remember what the pistons did in the all star game a couple years ago? They were even one short and they came back from like 20 down.
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gotsigns August 18, 2007
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Sending a team like the Pistons would be a great idea, but it would never work for many reasons. Maybe just send the top 4-5 players from the Piston's or one of the better NBA teams. Like the allstar game a few years ago, the east were behind and Flip sent Big Ben, Chauncy, Rip & Sheed plus Ray Allen and they made a come back. Having chemistry is everything. Then put a few superstars with alot defensive role players like B Wallace or Bruce Bowen for example.
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a guest August 18, 2007
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I've been saying this for a while...why not just send the championship team from the previous year and let them represent the USA...sure a few players will not go because they are from other countries but you just replace them with superstars and thats it
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Luke Elie August 18, 2007
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I think this point is well warrented. I am a die hard nba fan and a die hard Piston fan. I live overseas and I have a deep appreciation for International competition, I was in Korea watching the games when the USA national team came and cleaned up shop before losing to greece a few weeks later. I even remember warning Lebron about it and asked him his thoughts and all he could say was, "Im not worried." I think it would be an honor to see my Pistons hold up the gold medals in the olympics and I think it would be great for our country as we have lost our national pride. The difference between the USA bball and the rest of the world can be seen on the court... they play for their country. That used to be worth something. I played in China this summer as part of a college basketball USA/China good will games kind of thing. The passion that China had on the court for their country was amazing. I was embarassed that we won. I think the gold medal is more valuable then a NBA title. It has finally come to that.
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a guest August 18, 2007
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Everything aside, I'd REALLY like to know how the pistons would do against teams like spain and argentina
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guettowisdom August 18, 2007
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Anyone who thinks the Pistons shouldn't represent USA because they lost the last two Eastern Conf. finals hasn't been paying attention to the ref scandle. The Pistons were and are the better team than Miami and the Cavs, but the ref's agenda was to satisfy the mob who wanted Miami and the Cavs in it. With bad calls and player ejections, that gave way to the Piston losses. Don't believe this point, just ask the Mavs' owner!
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Baal August 18, 2007
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European players can play national and international games, because they determin their cmapion in 34 to 38 games... Europeans usually starts complaining, if somebody plays 82 games in all competions he is forced to play (at least that's what happens with soccerplayers). In the NBA the fun starts after 82 games (or ends if you're a Mavricks fan...)by the way: I can't picture a Rashid Wallace playing in the FIBA worldcup,,. he just wouldn't care...and sending the current NBA Champs? Great: send the San Antonio Spurs without Parker, Ginobili and Duncan... that will work....
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Wayne in Michigan August 18, 2007
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At first I thought this was a mockery, or a joke, and the only part that attracted me was the Pistons in the title. But as I read, the more this started to make perfect sense. Chemistry is essential. Ask the Lakers of '04. Fatigue and injuries are the biggest concern here. But if these guys are playing and training all summer, wouldn't they be in better shape physically going into the regular NBA season? I may be wrong, but playing at a high level and not in peak shape probably causes more injuries then extended play in great shape! I like the point of extra incentives from the NBA. A brilliant GM like Joey D could, and has, done wonders with 2 first round picks. Extra home games...great idea, less travel. Another point I liked was the contrast to soccer...if basketball is your job and your passion, and your teammates are your brothers and family, why wouldn't any TEAM not leap at a chance to represent its country? The Pistons would have been the best option 2-4 years ago: just a few international role players on the roster and a happy, hard-working Big Ben. I like one of the responders here who said that the runner up to the finals play for the USA. They're emotional and have something to prove, and what a great way to take away the sour taste of losing in the finals! This is a very interesting topic and I'd like to see it discussed amongst analysts...too bad the USA doesn't pay that close attention to international sports. It is embarrassing to watch what we believe to be the best of the best athletes in the world lose on the world platform. ps. To have the Pistons represent the country would do absolute great things for the ailing city of Detroit.
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Reno The Goat August 18, 2007
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After the year the Pistons had, and the disappointing loss the Cavs, I think the Piston's once rock-solid chemestry leaves something to be desired. If we still had Big Ben, then maybe. But with a hobbled C-Webb limping around the court (sorry Webb, but you would have trouble gaurding Charles Oakley if he came back), an increasingly disinfrachised Rasheed Wallace, and a Chauncy Billups who has seem to lose a bit of his swagger, I think that a good international team could potentially beat them. I'm not saying that the Pistons wouldn't do better then the last "Dream Team" (can we even call them that?), but I don't think it's a lock that they would bring home the gold. The Spurs would be a better choice.....oh, wait, aren't they an international team?
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a guest August 18, 2007
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guettowisdom is an idiot. Tim Doneghy (sp?) didn't officiate in the heat pistons and cavs pistons series. Furthermore if he did it would have only been one game. Baal: Tim Duncan is from the USA Virgin Isles and can compete on Team USA. Not to mention he has already. 1) there's no NBA team without a foreign player now.2) Pistons are on the decline3) We have a better all star team now
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Someonewhoknowsmorethanyou August 18, 2007
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The players of the NBA are now just to cocky. That is the main reason that we have not really done anything in international play. No other team can compare to the 92 dream team because they all wanted to win and cared more about winning than their stats. Now when has KOBE cared more about winning than his stats......never... that is why the Lakers suck.... cuz he is selfish any way ...... the main reason why international teams win is because they play fundamental ball... that is the name of the game.... who cares if you can jump higher or are stronger.... can you make a basket and prevent one? international teams understand that flash is nothing and that fundamentals are the most important part of the game until the U.S. understands that nothing will happen even if we do send Kobe, LeBron, and Carmelo.
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AKbar August 18, 2007
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After the 04 05 06 seasonss, i think the pistons should have definitely played on the US team and thats exactly what i thouht after i witnessed our so called "dream team" get spanked by international no-namers... But now its too late, te pistons are older slower and they do not have big ben wallace anymore and CWeb can't cut it...Solution: take the pistons starting 6 (includig ben from the bulls) and surround them by the so-called dream team.= DOMINATION all the to the GOLD
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Renan August 18, 2007
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This has already been done by my country.

Although not as talented and athletic as the Americans, the Philippines was once Asian basketball powerhouse, beating every Asian team including China until the mid 70s. When professional players were allowed in FIBA sanctioned events, we formed our own version of the "Dream Team" to try to beat China and bring back the country's glory days. That team finished 2nd in the 1990 Asian Games, to yup, China. So in the next edition of the Asian Games 4 years later, we planned to send the team that won that year's "All-Filipino Cup", so the chemistry wouldn't be an issue.

But health issues got the better of the team as they had to play more games than they were accustomed to...I think this would also be the case if the USA sends an NBA team.

Renan,
http://pba-online.net
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a guest August 19, 2007
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If we sent the pistons, they'd lose. They probably wouldn't finish top 5. We're forgetting that half of the problem is that there are slight rules differences that all foreign players are familiar with, but Americans are not. Spain, Greece, Serbia, Brazil, and Argentina would all beat the Pistons by international rules. Playing by NBA rules, Pistons have a slight edge over Spain and Argentina. Remember -- there are five Spanish NBA players right now (Gasol, Calderon, Navarro, Garbajosa, Rodriguez) plus a handful of other first rounders who never bothered to come over (Fernandez, Vazquez), plus a highly underrated Marc Gasol on that team. You can't expect an easy victory when you're playing by their rules.
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Timmer August 19, 2007
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No, sending the entire Pistons team might be a bit much. But sending Chauncy, Rip, Tayshaun, And those wild wallace boys in as your primary bench team would be huge. Rasheed would and should be devastating on the international level, he’d bring the in your face toughness the team needs. Ben, well he just has to be there to, those five guys were the best starting five to play the game (in my opinion) I'm glad you are such a huge basketball fan that you think the Stones still have Ben. Screw your head on idiot. Stones in 08
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Supahmann August 19, 2007
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Maybe not the pistons now, but maybe one of the losers of the conference finals? Maybe that would help a bit with the fatigue factor...how would you fill in for the international players on the team that got sent to the Olympics? I like the idea of giving them an extra 10 home games and/or extra draft pick to make up for the disadvantage of playing extra games. Part of me likes the idea of sending the NBA Finals champ (substituting players chosen by that team's coach to replace interational players)...
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Thomas Golden August 19, 2007
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The obvious solution to the fatigue factor would be to eliminate preseason games for the Pistons. Maybe have one game right before the opener
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DaNnY August 19, 2007
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I've always thought it would be better to send an actual NBA TEAM to the olympics, like the NBA champions of the year prior to the olympics. The only problem with this would be, for example, the spurs, duncan parker ginobili all foreign. But a team should be picked and international players replaced by similar types of american players. Pistons would be good cuz they dont have many international players, and big ben would need to be added for olympics
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Alex August 19, 2007
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Duncan plays USA ball
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a guest August 19, 2007
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Why don't we take a bunch of 3 year old kids. Put them in a secret facility deep in the deserts of New Mexico, and train them from childhood to play basketball. Then, we use them as our national team. It could be a government sponsored program!
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Michele August 19, 2007
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The Pistons would do well, in my opinion. Let's also remember that several Pistons players have been in each all-star game as well as on Team USA for the last several years. I would be surprised if any other team had as many players on either team.
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blah August 19, 2007
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I didn't really read all the comments but, let's not forget Carlos Delfino plays on the Pistons and as well the Argentina team, so your talking about taking some of that chemistry away already, because he will play for Argentina... That wouldn't work because most NBA teams have atleast one or two international players that would rather play for their countries...I think we should offer a group of guys out of college, to bypass the NBA for the US team for their whole career, something like the Harlem Globetrotters, only the pay being better, and slightly less than the NBA stars, of course...Lets face it, there is so much talent that doesn't get into the NBA, who could have a spot on the lifelong senior mens national team ...Now thats a sucess with chemistry
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beery41 August 19, 2007
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The Pistons have great chemistry, but could they handle FIBA officiating? The international refs won't put up with the same tantics that NBA refs (even crooked ones) do. Rasheed would be lucky to make it to halftime.
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egret74 August 19, 2007
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Here's an even better idea - and I've been saying this for years. We should appoint the champions of the NCAA tournament to be our Olympic basketball team on any given year - coaching staff and all. This would solve the issue of team cohesiveness, and allow us to field a tight-knit squad with a true team spirit, who are playing at the top of their game. It would return the spirit of amateur athletics to the games, allowing us to be represented by young athletes who are still hungry, instead of pampered stars whose egos are so grotesquely inflated that they can barely fit in an Olympic stadium. One of the best parts of the idea is that it would offer an opportunity for Olympic glory to solid student-athletes who are effective role players on a winning team, but might not have an NBA future ahead of them. Finally, the incidental benefit is that the opportunity for collegians to play in the Olympics might actually encourage more young athletes to stay in college instead of immediately defecting to the pros. This would in turn improve the quality of play in the NBA, which is currently at a historic low, with eight guys typically standing around while two guys play one-on-one.
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a guest August 20, 2007
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This is an interesting idea, but I wouldn't want to see the pistons. Yes, they dont have many international players who are key to the team. But they are on the down slope. They played great defense a couple years ago with Ben Wallace in the middle. But with CWEBB they arent as good. Plus they can't score. There offense is very similar to team USA now. They play one on one basketball. Thats how Flip wants to play on offense. If we sent the Pistons from a few years ago with Ben and Larry Brown I might like this idea.
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Ceedouble August 20, 2007
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I think a better idea is to take all the retired basketball players that want to come back represent the U.S.A. Think about it, Reggie Miller is thinking about coming back, why not have him back in the USA basketball uniform. We can start Dennis Rodman (PF), Scottie Pippen(SF), Reggie Miller(SG), Nick Van Exel (PG), and Antonio Davis (C). We can also have reserves like Alan Houston, Shawn Kemp, and Sprewell. There are so many people that we can just throw on this list. Best part is since they are retired they can play year round to stay in shape.
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Steve August 20, 2007
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I agree with the responses above regarding Rasheed Wallace. I'm afraid he would bring back images of "the ugly American". I like the idea of filling the roster with "character guys". A better way to make the playing field more level for USA Basketball is to bring NBA rules more in line with FIBA rules. It's unfair to expectUSA players to play NBA rules for the majority of their playing time and then practice for a few weeks with FIBA rules and FIBA balls and be expected to compete fairly. The majority of international players play FIBA rules yearround and when they enter international competition, there is no need for adjustment. And if you don't think the difference in basketball's is significant, watch the NBA player's fumble away with more frequency the slightly larger and differently textured FIBA basketball, than they do the NBA basketball. And have you ever wondered why great NBA outside shooters suddenly begin to shoot bricks in FIBA competition? It's not being used to the ball, baby!
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a guest August 20, 2007
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How about the first step being that they scrimmage with an NBA team?that way they can expose weakness in the dream teams lack of cohesion and hopefully work something out in practice instead of on the court.
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a guest August 20, 2007
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isnt it funny how americans are touted as patriotic but when it comes to playing for your country, everybody runs away crying boo hoo I might get injuries and waa waa i wanna get paid.in non patriotic countries, people play for free and proud of it too.
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RC August 20, 2007
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This makes a ton of sense; the Pistons play basketball the way it is supposed to be played......the whole team is involved, not a one-man scoring show. They can hurt you from any angle and they will close you down defensively. Why don't we send a team like that to represent the country that invented the game!
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a guest August 20, 2007
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It literally does not matter what the Americans do with this situation. They'll probably get beaten anyway. The Pistons? Oh, please, any of the top tier international teams would whup their tired old asses. The NCAA champion wouldn't even have a prayer against wily veteran teams such as Spain and Argentina. Just face it, guys: it's gonna be an uphill battle from now on end, and there will be no permanent restoration of dominance.
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Camb0dia August 20, 2007
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Pistons plus Duncan isntead of Nazr and a backup pg of quality and a miller-esque shooter on the bench
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Eden_Mason August 20, 2007
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There's no question the Pistons would be a force in any league. I do agree with "Camb0dia" though that one or two changes could be made. The pistons have never been strong at the 5 spot offensively. Add another quality big man to help out CWebb and McDyess (let's face it, their getting old) and alos add another guard of team-effort mentality. We don't need a Kobe or a Lebron on the Pistons, but there was talk of JKidd going to the pistons during all the rumored trade-talks a while back . . . . I always thought he'd meld well with the unselfishness of the Pistons.
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a guest August 20, 2007
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Not a bad idea, but it would never happen because you couldn't get Rasheed or Hamilton to go. Plus if the dream team came together why can't players now come together? The problem is that they are selfish, they don't want to just go out and win, they have to look good and get all the points. The dream team had less depth than what the nba has now. But they passed the ball and found the open player and didn't care who scored the most points, they just won. Now, you can't get Kobe to pass the ball to anyone, heck he probably wouldn't pass it to Micheal Jordan. The American team has no dominate center, they need to take Shaq and Tim Duncan and Robert Horry. Infact put this lineup on the floor: Chauncey Billups at point, Dwyane Wade at guard, Robert Horry at small forward, Tim Duncan at power forward, and Shaq at center. The backups would be: Jason Kidd at point, Vince Carter at guard, Bruce Bowen at small forward, Ben Wallace at power forward, Dwight Howard at center, Marcus Camby at power forward, and Alonzo Mourning at center.
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a guest August 20, 2007
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I agree with the concept of sending an NBA team as team USA. They use to do that in hockey when the winning Stanley Cup team would take on an all-star team as the original all-star game. However, the only problem is this creates an unfair situation for that team that is sent. The NBA team will have played more games and be subjected to possible injuries which could hurt their chances during the regular season. Although the qualifying tournament would be used in-lieu of pre-season. But pre-season is not like playing the FIBA tournament. And if the team that is sent has international players on them they will be minus that player(s).
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a guest August 20, 2007
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FOR THE HORDE
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a guest August 20, 2007
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If the olympics are every 4 years, take the past 4 championship teams and put them in a tournament. The winner of the 4-team tourney should go on to they olympics. In terms of qualifying for the olympics, just send the current champions.
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a guest August 20, 2007
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The irony of it all is that noone stops to think why you guys would send the Pistons instead of one of the three elite teams. That's not to say that you couldn't build a team right now that can compete at the olympics. But you'd have to be able to pick from all NBA pros, not just the ones willing to get off their butts during summer.
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a guest August 20, 2007
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Interesting article. The chemistry factor is definitely a major plus. Think 1980 US Hockey beating USSR, who beat a team of NHL ALL-STARS. The man Herb Brooks himself said All-Star teams fail in that they rely on individual talent (sounds like the NBA much?). The same thing is happening in American baseball. We are in love with the highlight reel slam dunk (or home run) and have gotten so far removed from the fundamentals of the game that international teams can handle us. Those international shooters can just spot up and drain buckets, but American players can't shoot unless their hand is clutching the rim. Sad state of affairs. These guys need some real coaching. Grade school summer camp style.
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Mike August 20, 2007
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I disagree somewhat with the notion that we fall in love so much with highlights that we don't have fundamentals. One poster said we can't shoot from the outside. The problem is that we never seem to be able to put the right players out there.Ray Allen can shoot the ball from the outside. Lights out. But where is he? Where has Shaquille O'Neal been. Kobe? Over the past several years, we have sent the wrong set of players overseas, or we have failed to include the right players for whatever reason (injuries, personal reasons, etc.). If we truly sent the right players over there with some time to play together, the outcomes could be different.Our last team was YOUNG. As good as Carmelo, Wade, LeBron, Bosh, and others were last time around, they were young, immature, and not ready to step up. Too much 1-on-1 basketball. Everyone loves Wade but his game is all about forcing the ball 1-on-1. How about some passing?
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Toe August 20, 2007
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Some posted that non-Americans play for free. Right. National team members from other countires get paid. They get nice houses. Nice perks. Oh I agree that some American pro players won't endanger their pro earnings for fear of injury, etc. but don't paint a picture of Americans being unwilling to play for their country when you have those American softball and women's soccer players playing and swimmers and such.Many of those foreign soccer, basketball, and other sports stars can be pretty playboys who make a lot of money themselves and get perks to play for the country.
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a guest August 21, 2007
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Blah, check your rosters again. Delfino does' play for the Pistons anymore. He went to Toronto a couple of months ago. Alot of people here seem offended that the Piston's were suggested because they have a bias against them but the fact remains Detroit plays a team oriented style of basketball. As for them not being able to compete on the international level....please! Remember, it's still the rest of the world trying to get into the NBA and not the other way around. Sure there are alot of great international players but where are their superstars? This isn't David Beckham and soccer.......
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Mic T August 21, 2007
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Hey Blah! Carlos Delfino is not on the Pistons anymore, plus he sucks so who cares if they lose him for the tournament? Get the Pistons from 2004 and we have the best possible team. With Ben Wallace replacing CWebb and Larry Brown replacing Flip Saunders , who is the most overrated coach in the NBA, you have one of the best NBA teams ever assembled. Dont forget about Corliss Williamson from that team. He was a huge part of that bench. Send an NBA team, I have been saying this for years, but think about it. In our society money is everything and the NBA is where these players make there money. How else are they going to buy there fur coats and diamond earrings? Not getting injured in international play. And as for Lebron James and Dwayne Wade, they can't drive to the basket without traveling and unlike the NBA, international officials call traveling.
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pate August 21, 2007
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the idea sounds good but if you want to send a team over there to play, i would send the world champs, The Spurs, they are the best team in basketball until proven differently.!
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#1 detroit fan August 21, 2007
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i think the pistons would be awsome for this. they are in my mind the best TEAM in the nba. the only team that i think would do a little better just because the fast pace game of international basketball is the suns. but the pistons are the safe way to go because even if the game is fast (like how the suns play), the pistons are able to slow it down with their defence.
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Richie August 21, 2007
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I agree that the world champion team is typically the best choice, however a lot of the Spurs better players are foriegn: Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker. Sending the Spurs without them would be suicide. The Cavs starting center isn't American. The Pistons have undenyably been the most overall successful team and have the most team chemistry without any foriegn players (now that Delfino is gone).
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