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Yi Jianlian: The Follow Up By Jordan Rivas 07.18.2007 - Updated on 07.18.2007
| A lot of the comments made on my article "Yi Jianlian and the Great Wall of Stupid" have been really great, and raised some good points, so I thought I should address a few of them. First of all, let me explain the headline. I debated heavily whether or not to use the ’Great Wall’ line and did indeed consider the implications. The tactics being used by Yi’s camp have been used by players and pro clubs from countries all around the world, not just China. I have beef with this kind of thing all the time, no matter where it’s coming from. That being said, as some folks have been well reasoned enough to point out in the comments already, the Chinese government has a track record of exercising an usual amount of controller over their athletes. The ’Great Wall’ reference, is not just some cheap Chinese tie in, but an allusion to the type of restriction and limitation that the government there places on athletes. I meant no offense to anyone, but it’s only fair to mention the Chinese government and pro clubs have a reputation for this. Secondly, many people have made mention of Yi’s right to choose what’s best for him, and made reference to this being a "free country". I fully acknowledge Yi’s right to make a choice in regards to his NBA career - he has the right to choose. My only beef with that argument is this: he already made his choice. He chose to enter the draft, no one forced him to do that. If he didn’t like the prospect or notion of being selected by a team with a less than ideal situation for him (be it due to the city or the roster), than he shouldn’t have entered the draft. If he wants to pick and choose the team he goes to, more power to him, he absolutely has that right, but he knowingly pursued that desire through the wrong avenue. If he wanted to have that kind of selection power, he should have opted for free agency. By entering the draft, he made his choice and agreed to follow the rules, he can’t then threaten not to play for a team before or after the draft - that undermines the entire process. And so yes, Yi has a right to choose, but he made his choice to enter the draft, full well knowing part of that process is out of his hands and the end result may not be ideal. Part of making decisions, and making your choices - the most important part, in fact - is making sure they’re well informed and being mature enough to deal with the outcome, no matter what it is. Third, I fully acknowledge that the Milwaukee Bucks made a risky move when selecting Yi. They knew the situation, however unfair it was, and leapt into it anyway. I don’t like the ’I’m doing what I want because I can’ approach that Yi is taking, but Milwaukee took much the same approach by drafting Yi even knowing he didn’t want to play there. I’m not saying the Bucks are some higher moral ground, because they’re not, but they do have the rules on their side and are technically correct in expecting the player they drafted to play for them, even if they aren’t exactly playing nice either. Fourth, I commend the commenter who pointed out Dan Fegan’s role in all this. I did make numerous mentions of the people surrounding and influencing Yi, but without clarification that made it sound as if I was purely addressing the Chinese constituency of Yi’s camp, which was not my intention. It deserves mention that Yi does have an American NBA agent, Dan Fegan, who represents players such as Shawn Marion, Jason Richardson, Jason Terry, and Stephen Jackson. And Fegan has been known to cause some controversy, and is a large part of why relations with the Bucks have been going so poorly. I’d like to thank the initial commenter and everyone else who brought him up for pointing out Fegan’s role in all this. I’d like to thank everyone for their comments, in particular those members of the Chinese community who took the time to give us their insights. I just write the articles, you guys make it a discussion. And lastly, no, I am not, nor have I ever been, a fan of the Milwaukee Bucks. I almost laughed at that one. Michael Redd is light out though, I’ll give you that much. I’m out. |
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Posted by INDIANDUDE on 07.21.2007 | I agree with Kenny and the Garlic boy. You stupid worthless "HEEZ" and TRAITOR Chinese_FUCK_YI.1. YI does represent chinese2. YI should be played for a well known NBA club especially with a large chinese community in the US, not the f-----looser Milweekee Bucks.3. Most NBA clubs are SHITanyway.Overseas players go there simply because of experience and money. So YI has every rights to choose even though it may not turn out his way but he’s doing the right thing.4. The Americans does not want YI to play for a well known NBA club because of obvious reasons.5.Go team CHINAMEN!!! . | Posted by on 07.21.2007 | China communists are all ruffians.it’s impossible for Chinese athletes to achive great success in sport field under the government of the flagitious China communists. . | Posted by garlicboy on 07.20.2007 | The writer is a joke! Yi can play his hand any way he wants. He did the same thing that Steve Francis did (refusing to go to Vancouver), John Elway (refusing to play for the Baltimore Colts) and Eli Manning(refusing to go to San Diego). The media did not roast Eli like they’re roasting Yao. This article is just a prejudice writer trying to let off his prejudice in an acceptable form. What a joke. If he wanted to be fair, he could’ve done just a little research and mentioned John Elway, Francis and Eli Manning. Personally I would go to whoever drafts me, for the sheer joy of getting drafted. However, it’s a free country and if people want to flex their muscles so be it. More power to Yi, and I agree that the Bucks and Fegan are idiots. What a huge breakdown in communication. . | Posted by Kenny From Canton on 07.20.2007 | I believe most Americans are clever and fair, including the Bucks’ management. But you, Jordan Rivas, is the stupidist column writer I have ever seen. In this whole issue, we see Yi and the Bucks negotiating with all their resources available. That’s normal. The first man of the kind, as you mentioned, is Steve Francis, Where were you when Francis incident happen? All your s---just came out of one that Yi is Asian. If possible, I strongly suggest him sueing you for racist words. China and America are 2 superpower countries that neither could dominate the other. So what we have to do is to compromise. Though Yi didn’t 100% follow your rules, it was not all his fault. There are agreements among players and clubs, which should possibly be considered as etiquette. The Bucks didn’t follow that agreement at the first place, and that is the origin of all that happened afterwards. I am Chinese, but I don’t support Yi for no reasons. What I support is truth. There is a chinese saying that truth prevails everywhere. You, Jordan, are most likely unable to understand such a level. . | Posted by interesting on 07.20.2007 | Thanks for all your explanations. Still some points to make:1. a commentary needs some sparkling points, including the headline. As what I have pointed out last time, GW might be a good choice for this article even if you said you were very cautious of the matter and only to use that for hints of the reputation the Chinese government has. Well, anyway, that’s is nothing to do with the Chinese government in Yi Jianlian’s case, dare you deny that. Yi’s move to NBA is much of his personal choice and his owner’s decision. And his owner is the Guangdong Southern Tigers.So read your line "The ’Great Wall’reference, is not just some cheap Chinese tie in". Your explanation in this story again fails your point here. 2. Dan Fegan’s influence is actually the key factor in the case. If you go travelling in China, who would you depend on if you had not stayed in the country before? The tour guide or a Longly Planet? Anyway, you will depend on the trustworthy ones. And so is that of Dan Fegan to Yi. And please remember it was Dan who refused the Bucks for *** times. Do you really believe a 20 or so boy who speaks little English, kowns little of NBA practices has not been influenced and tricked by Dan Fegan? I bet your answer would be "who knows". And from a professional persfective, check before write, could be basics in any newsrooms all around the world. (I even don’t ask you to do a double-check, hehe) . | Posted by hoo++ on 07.19.2007 | unwillingness cannot produce desired results your stupid Amricans understand . | Posted by hoo++ on 07.19.2007 | 中国有句-话:强扭的“不”your stupid amricans understand . | Posted by Jacob from Australia on 07.19.2007 | wat the f-is with all this racism???? i think all of these people on this forum are either americans or chinese not ur stupid terms!!! im australian and i would like to be called that and every1 else should be approached with their correct terms! this whole Yi Jianlian - Milwaukee Bucks thing has been blown out of proportion and turned into a whole racist war! f-RACISTS! . | Posted by rzurzel on 07.19.2007 | I just simply don’t understand what that guy is up to. Everyone knows that it’s NBA draft LOTTERY-the key word is lottery-you don’t know where you exactly heading & you should be aware of this. Every player knows that & just pray to be chosen to any team but this guy acts like he was basketball world’s best player & everyone should try to win his flavour just because he made it to the NBA. Guy is just a merchandise, he haven’t show anything yet-in my opinion he shoule kiss the association’s a-------4 adopting him-play the 2-3 rookie deal & show what he can do-then when he’ll make himself a name=when he’ll stop beeing a pawn & becomes a figure he can lay down conditions. But today I don’t understand him at all & I think that his brain leaked to the ocean somewhere between China & US. The sad thing is that Bucks should have #6 in this year’s draft & they have 5h1T . | Posted by Chinese_FUCK_YI on 07.19.2007 | I am a chinese. I feel sad to see the dispute and some disparaging words on all chinese. Yi does not represent chinese at all. He sucks in CBA, I hate him and never watch his game even when I was back in China. Actually, in Chinese forum, the dispute is going on and most Chinese don’t like how Yi is doing in recent one month. f-him! . | Posted by RG on 07.19.2007 | To all the Hillbillies and Chinamen: First of all, what is all the fuzz about an unproven player? The CBA seems to think that YI is already a superstar. Secondly, this situation would not happen if the NBA has an ironclad rule in place preventing draftees from playing for another NBA team other than the one that drafted them for at least 5 years. As it stands now, there is a loophole with the rules. . | Posted by King on 07.19.2007 | Wisonsin is not all that bad it could of been alot worst. The fact of the matter is that a certain percentage of the american population is down right nasty. More so than any other place on this earth. Don’t get me wrong I am just a realist. In fact, i love american people in general. Yi should try out the Bucks if all things fail. Good Luck Yi. I feel for you. . | Posted by on 07.19.2007 | Yi could not "opt for free agency." Anybody who wants to play for the NBA has to go through the draft. Otherwise every top prospect would opt to be a free agent. Entering the draft is not a legal obligation to accept a contract with the team that drafts you. Many players have refused to sign with the team that drafted them for one reason or another. (It is not always a high profile affair - e.g. Jon Barry would not sign with the Celtics when they drafted him.) So if Yi really doesn’t want to play for Milwaukee that is his prerogative. What is disgraceful about this is that it appears that Yi is not the one in charge here; people are making his decisions for him. . | Posted by Heez on 07.19.2007 | THIS IS TO KING AND GT.PLEASE BELIEVE THAT HE CAN STAY AWAY FROM THE NBA. No one said he couldnt choose-He did! and now that he doesnt like the outcome he wants to reneg(spades turm). Please understand that If all players took his route we would have stacked teams in LA,NY and FL. So lets say F-it-Hell with the Draft-choose where you want to go and stack teams. How about Being Mature and adapting to your enviornment and you can win over the hearts and minds of that city or/and state and be the face of that Frachise. Not theres not enough Black,white,asian People there so I will forget how to play ball,it sounds to me like he just wants to be around his people(theres nothing wrong with that but Damn) and if that cant happen then what........ African American players dont sat they dont want to play for the patriots because of the minority population-Sounds DUMB doesent it. Most people entering the draft know a few things—1. they will go to a team with a subpar record weather they like it or not. 2. If you are drafted between 1 and 15 you will get a lot of time if you can pan out. 3. you are happy as hell that they drafted you because a few years ago it was all a dream. Did you hear Labron James crying about going to a god awful team Cleavland-NO he saved the city and franchise and now look a trip to the finals. EveryBody has a opinion and thats mine! PEACE.ooh and Im not a hillbillie but if thats what you call people who live in the greatest country in the world then yes I am-and Chinamen is not a bad term. . | Posted by GT on 07.19.2007 | I am standing here, together with many Chinamen to support Yi and his team. It is very obvious and simple to everybody that Yi want to play for another team, which has more Chinese fans and better opportunity. I believe all those things are understandable and reasonable, and the most important thing is that things are all done uder the rules. Bucks has his right to choose Yi, but Yi also has the right to reject this choose. Why reject? This stupid question should be turn to the Bucks’s management team. They know all the situation except Yi’s decision are much harder than they have expected. The bottom line is: Yi and his team are playing under the rules and the law, so please show some respect to their human right thouth you have your opnion. Please belive that Yi and his team are mature enough to make their own decision. . | Posted by king on 07.19.2007 | There is a bunch of nicomboops here. Its not about how good or bad he is - he is good enough to play in the NBA period. Lets move on. see the big picture. bunch of whacky chinamen and hillbilies here. I am from Hong Kong. I guess that makes me a chinamen too. . | Posted by Heez on 07.19.2007 | He shouldnt go there now-They will Booo the hell out of him now-I know I would-Let him go to a really good team-with no cap room-and see how much time he gets,how much money and how many fans. Its not Just the bucks-he has ruined his Reputation(even though he didnt have one in the U.S to begain with) with all teams, So go keep practicing in china-And get ready for the games because the U.S is going to kick some A-S-S this time buddy-beleive that-and I hope they Face china and our own stuborn athlete Mr. KOBE puts his N-U-T-s on the top of your head.OK Maybe a little harsh-but it would be funny. Yi you might as well call it quits-we Americans are not very forgiving to other countries period it’s a fact weather its war-terrorism-trade or in this case sports, I dont know if thats right or wrong but it is America and I love it, So you have made a huge mistake by dissing one of our citys and state, I know a place that has more Chinamen than anywhere-CHINA! Heeey Im a smart guy-thats it! Play in China, you will have your population-Popularity-endorsment deals......You will be the biggest star in china-When Yoa retires. BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT BE A STAR IN THE NBA-YOU HAVE RUINED ALL CHANCES OF THAT. GO TEAM USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . | Posted by Another Chinese on 07.19.2007 | I don’t think many people who have ’spoken’ here really know how things work in this kind of deals as far as Chinese athletes trying to make it in overseas markets are concerned. Why? Because the athlete concerned rarely if ever has the power to decide which club he or she would join. It is almost always his or her Chinese handlers (club owners, agents and even the government), and to a lesser degree his or her forieng agent, that determine if the deal hold. So, anyone who believes Yi is to blame for this mess must have missed the point or been misled by the equally uninformed press. Some people might demand: ’How come Yao Ming made all the crucial decisions for himself when he was picked by the Houston Rockets?’ Simple: Yi is not Yao anyway you look at him. Period.As for his reply to reporters that he needed more time to think it over or something like that, well, he said so because there was nothing else he was allowed to or dare say. The only decision he does have the power to make at this moment is to call it quit — from CBA as well as NBA. . | Posted by on 07.19.2007 | LOL, so many chinese are here because of e, and i am one of them. just want to say that e is STUPID because he wants money more than playing the game. bucks is STUPID because e is not worth it at all. just trade him with some other teams and they will be regret as soon as e plays for them. . | Posted by David on 07.19.2007 | You are right,uphold you! . | 1 2 3 4 Next >
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